Curse

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Sorry can't help but laugh at that one who would pay an extra 0 just to flame someone? the 10k mistaken for 1k is just an example of putting in the extra 0. Please have some actual proof if you are implying that they keep the trade log.

Support cannot retrieve or replace any lost gold or items in instances where a player is scammed by another player-Anet Support

Firstly, how do you think they caught all the dupers? Guesswork? And second, their policy is there to stop thousands of people contacting support every day hoping to get back what they were stupid enough to lose. It is a good policy. It does not mean that they don't keep logs of every single action that takes place on their servers. To not do would be foolish.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 22, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by guolisong

How's that making assumption? Whites are around 50g each at merchant and please if seriously you can get 100k 1 day by merching there won't be that many people who complain about being poor.

It is not even difficult to farm 10k per hour by only selling to merchants. Let's say you farm for 10 hours, and that'll be 100k. Knowing that one day equals to 24 hours, let's say you spend 14 hours doing something else like sleep or eat, it is still possible to get 100k within one day, in that sense. How's that so hard to believe?

Not everyone likes to spend their time farming, and sometimes, people don't like to spend their time doing the most profitable tasks in the game. And just because people would complain about them being poor, it doesn't imply there are no efficient methods to farm 100k a day.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Sorry can't help but laugh at that one who would pay an extra 0 just to flame someone? the 10k mistaken for 1k is just an example of putting in the extra 0.

There are all kinds of people out there.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Support cannot retrieve or replace any lost gold or items in instances where a player is scammed by another player-Anet Support

They can, but the task will be too time-consuming. They will also have to determine whether the support ticket about being hacked is a fraud or not. Also, there will be a need to determine whether the people who were given these items to are part of this hack or were they just innocent traders or even buddies of this victim. Even worse, they have to look up the time interval to when this person was hacked. It's only logical to not to bother with this at all.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Firstly I don't believe they caught all the dupers. Or else there won't be a thread about armbrace market crash down. Human beings are not machines, they make mistakes, everyone had an incident where they accidentally merched something. Just because you think they should keep a trade log doesn't mean they are keeping one.

Thank you for proving my point. EVERYONE has accidentally merched something. Do you want to be the guy who has to deal with that? Day after day, trawling through millions of transactions, over and over again? No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can.

And no, they didn't catch all the dupers. Because the clever ones didn't use them in TRADES until just recently. Now, Anet can't be sure where the AoT's being traded now come from, without the aforementioned trawling back through what would now be billions of transactions.

pablo24 · Mar 22, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Millions of transactions you say? How in the tyria would they keep all those transactions if they are never going to use it? Duper catcher? I believe that have something to do with reporting seeing 7 stacks of Armbraces? Like you said millions of transactions, so you actually believe they went through millions of transactions to find the dupers I don't think so. "No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can."

It's so hard believe because the gold farmers in hotsprings farm outside of hotsprings not some place like factions of eotn dungeons. Simple take a screen shot of your talented farming ability to shut me up. remember to type /age to time yourself.

Oh so you are saying that 99% of those people who put in the extra 0 is to flame the seller? I doubt I'd be the only one that disagrees.

Please stay on topic if you'd like to discuss farming 100k in 1day contact me in game or leave a pm.

They do keep logs of EVERYTHING, how is that so hard to understand? They just have their servers log all the packets in text files. Doesn't even take up thaaat much space. They don't restore gold and stuff because of their policies, if they did restore it then the support might get tricked like it sometimes happens in WoW.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 22, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by guolisong

It's so hard believe because the gold farmers in hotsprings farm outside of hotsprings not some place like factions of eotn dungeons. Simple take a screen shot of your talented farming ability to shut me up. remember to type /age to time yourself. And why do you think they would merch their golds when they can sell gold unided 7=5k?

Oh so you are saying that 99% of those people who put in the extra 0 is to flame the seller? I doubt I'd be the only one that disagrees.

Please stay on topic if you'd like to discuss farming 100k in 1day contact me in game or leave a pm.

Are you just trying to learn my farming method?

Age · Mar 22, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I've bought tons of stuff from gold sellers/farmers. This is why I have every mod possible unlocked on my account.

I don't believe you for some reason and you are kidding.It would be nice without getting banned.It is the American way after all. JR would do this Ewing that is.

Dallcingi · Mar 22, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

This is like buying gold....... so I do not like this idea.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Millions of transactions you say? How in the tyria would they keep all those transactions if they are never going to use it? Duper catcher? I believe that have something to do with reporting seeing 7 stacks of Armbraces? Like you said millions of transactions, so you actually believe they went through millions of transactions to find the dupers I don't think so. "No-one would do that, and no-one would pay someone to do that. Easier to say no-one can get back items than to say some can."

Are you being intentionally slow or were you actually dropped on your head as a child? There is no benefit to Anet to undo all fraudulent trades or mistaken merches. However, the duping issue was one they did want to fix because they could see how badly it would effect the economy.

I could report you right now for having 7 stacks of armbraces. I could even photoshop a screenie to "prove" that you did. Would that result in you getting banned? No, because they would check back through records to make sure. Most likely scenario is that I would get banned.

Finally, try and be a bit more imaginative. The reason why they keep trade records is so that they can keep track of price trends, see what sort of items people use regularly, what skins are valued highest, etc. There will be a program they use to track these things, probably a simple text parser running through the files the poster above me mentioned. That way, they can adjust drop rates, introduce things such as the Zaishen Chest, and figure out where to place new items.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01

I give up. If you want to live in your deluded little world where things are only how you believe them to be, and not how they logically should be, feel free. I can't see how it hurts you to think that Anet keeps trade logs, but apparently it does. You should see someone about that. I don't have to prove anything to you, just as I'm not asking you to prove to me that they don't keep logs. Enjoy your ignorance, you must be a very happy person.

Buddhaofwar · Mar 22, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

If they have what I need, I'll usually buy it. speeds things up, such as the tome seller. sure beats having to look around for 20+ minutes for someone with the exact number of tomes I need. It's like having a little crooked vending machine wandering around speaking broken English.

Daenara · Mar 22, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Hey, that's my name! -_-

Look, obviously I don't have a problem buying from people who speak chinese. I have seen bots here, who put up 7 decayed orr armors or the like, but I've also had many very funny conversations with people with both of us trying to bridge the language barrier.

I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that everyone there is a gold seller, just because they're chinese tbh.

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 22, 2008, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Isn't showing user names from screen shots not allowed?

DarklingKiller · Mar 22, 2008, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by guolisong

As the title states.
In game gold farmers: They get paid in real life for farming in Guild Wars.
Items: Tomes,Holiday Items,Ectos etc.

The following are my personal opinions and if you have nothing better to say than getting your +1 post count go post somewhere else. All flames, off topic comments should be redirected to my pm box =).

Reasonable enough players in game go for the cheapest deal.(ex. Daily Hot Spring International Traders) That's where RMT companies get their major source of in game gold. There won't a end to RMT companies no matter how they change the RMT policy.

Caption: Typical Hot Spring International Trade Channel. Go check it out if you think this is from somewhere else.

No offense... but you shouldn't be an ass and put up Arala's name in that screenshot in the first place and you also breach one of the screenshot rules. She also has a very fair point, just because they're Asian, that doesn't mean they're bots. When I was farming in Bergens for the weekend in the int district, I can see Asian named people talking and interacting with other players. I high doubt a bot can engage in a conversation with obviously real players. A-net supposedly bans all bots they see around in the game and many can't just keep creating accounts due to the new IP ban.

Velise_Snowtorm · Mar 22, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

I won't buy from what appears to be a gold farmer, mostly out of fear that my account might be banned out of association. Even if they offer cheap goods, I'm just afraid to be twapped with the "ban first ask questions later" stick.

I usually trade only in my Kamadan home district, or on forums or auctions.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 22, 2008, 07:46 AM // 07:46

My stance: No. If they can farm it, then so can you. Only way I would buy something is if I want a Factions/Prophecies only skin with a specific Inscription *since those don't come inscribed*

Fril Estelin · Mar 22, 2008, 08:43 AM // 08:43

I read this interesting article on RMT/gold-seller:
http://www.zenofdesign.com/?p=1026

I am in total agreement with this article, see excerpts:

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Is it entirely rational? No. But the concept of what is right and wrong is, ultimately, a societal concept, and ultimately, while designers can try to change player perceptions of what’s fair, there are also times when the community makes the declaration, and the company is forced to respond, or risk becoming irrelevant. [..]

But then again, there is an issue of incumbency as well. People often point out that the debate about RMT is ultimately a debate between those who have money, and those who have time. Currently, those who have time are winning the debate, largely because they dominate the 18-24 segment that acts as the core of the market, and also tend to be the most vocal evangelists for the game. The 30+ year olds that make up the ‘money’ part of the market don’t quite spend so much time on blogs and message boards because…well… they don’t have the time. But look out - a new market is coming, and this new market of 12-18 year olds has been trained by the internet to shell out via microtransactions for all sorts of digital goods, from ring tones and Xbox desktops to virtual goods in games like Habbo Hotel and Club Penguin. Their attitudes towards RMT could be very different from the previous generation of MMO players - provided the new blood gets prices they perceive as ‘fair’. The explosion will likely be tremendous.

On other hand, I'll argue that RMT IS unfair, as it changes the gameplay experience (independently from the fraud/hacking that it introduces, which by itself justifies to ban it without any second thought if you're serious and committed about security). I personally see buying RMT gold as: 1) stealing Anet's property; 2) cheating on my own principles; 3) a waste of money for digital bytes whose real value is not that much.

MithranArkanere · Mar 23, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Bleh. My opinion is: I don't care.

I'm not trading unless they add something like the Xunlai Market. I'm not wasting my time selling or buying in outposts for hours.

Pleikki · Mar 23, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Mithran.s Opinion is like mines. i dont care

N E D M · Mar 23, 2008, 10:40 AM // 10:40

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Caption: Typical Hot Spring International Trade Channel. Go check it out if you think this is from somewhere else.

NOTE: this is from the Original post.

I am not understanding what this picture is supposed to show....
I see people spamming trade chat trying to BUY choc. bunnies?
there isnt a single sell message in the bunch.....

reetkever · Mar 23, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by guolisong

it's suppose to show players are actively buying from gold farmers aka the crooked vending machines.

I just see players wanting to buy Chocolate Bunnies, that's all.

It's Eastern weekend, hundreds of players are farming Raptors at the moment for Bunnies and Eggs. If you want to buy Bunnies and Eggs, now is the time.

There's nothing wrong with farming Bunnies and Eggs now the chance is here.

If you mean the Chinese Sweatshop farmers... They'd probably end up throwing the Bunnies and Eggs away if no1 bought them. These people don't have time to stand in an outpost selling goldies, that's why Augury Rock international district had almost every skin in every req for 1K back in the Griffon days.

Chinese Sweatshop farmers don't know about prices and just sell to merch. They don't play the game for anything but farming - that's their job.